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sasha_featherTrigger warning for discussion of the Penn State child abuse scandal, and people saying dumb ass shit.
I got into a fight on Facebook today! For the 2nd time this week! This one was so heinous I decided to reprint it here! Last names have been removed. Me= Sandy. I expect a defriending from this one.
Julie D
So sad about Joe Pa being forced to resign. What a tragic end to a renowned career because of the selfishness of one man. Penn State is in mourning :(
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Richard I It is sad Julie. I was thinking about you yesterday when I was hearing this story because of your family's connections to PSU.
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Johannes M No, Julie. Unequivocally no. Child molestation is sad. Rape is sad. Child abuse is sad. Turning blind eyes and ears to the exploitation of children is sad. Failure to protect the children you've dedicated your life to because it makes you uncomfortable is sad. Moral ambiguity is sad. Cowardice in the face of child abuse is sad. Letting your fear of a tarnished reputation outweigh the safety of pre-teen children in your office is sad. Joe Paterno's resignation is not sad, it is the bare minimum of consequences for his absolute failure as a leader of children and adults alike.
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Mimi M I disagree. I've worked part time for 6 colleges or universities and one large community art center and spoken with two law enforcement contacts. Jo Paterno acted exactly as he shoul have with third party information. There is a procedure in place for exactly this kind of thing. It is the university's obligation to mount the investigation and inform the authorities. They failed to do this. That is sad! Unless we find out something more, Jo Paterno is simply a high profile scapegoat in a horrible scenario.
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Aaron F
Johannes, I agree that JoePa could've probably done more...but it IS important to remember that Paterno was no the one who committed these heinous acts. These incidents occurred 10 years ago and JoePa was already in his 70's so who knows how fully aware he was of everything going on. That is not to excuse him from not making sure that Sandusky was fired and incarcerated, but it is important to remember that he is not the one who witnessed these incidents either. This is a horrible and devastating story to be sure. But I don't understand why Joe Paterno is taking ALL of the heat. He understandably should take some heat for failing to see to it that Sundusky was no longer able to harm children, but most of the heat should be on Sandusky himself for his terrible actions. I honestly think that JoePa didn't want to believe that this man could do such heinously evil things and didn't want to be the one to have to know about/take care of the problem.
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Johannes M MIMI - No one disputes that Joe Paterno fulfilled legal obligations. The dispute here is moral. Joe is the coach. And not just any coach but THE coach. Football is HIS program. Penn State is HIS school. Practically all of Pennsylvania falls at his feet. And Sandusky was HIS mentee, and friend, and award winning assistant. Joe failed those boys. 10 year old boys were subjected to anal sex and oral sex against their will by his defensive coordinator. Multiple incidents were brought to his attention. Including one assistant eye-witness account. Why do you think his assistant comes to HIM with this account and not to authorities? Because at Penn State Joe Pa is THE authority.
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Aaron F Well Johannes that also brings up McQueary...he also failed those children by failing to call the cops.
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Johannes M AARON - Joe doesn't take "all the heat". In fact, he takes the least. He takes zero legal "heat" because he broke no law. Because of this, and because he runs the organization that averted its eyes to the rape of children, he takes the most media heat and social heat and the heat of public outcry. Because he's not going to jail for this. Because his only consequence is "I'm retiring at the end of the season."
4 hours ago · Like · 1
Johannes M Aaron, there is a Fire Mike Mcqueary petition going around if you're interested.
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Mimi M If, after Jo Paterno reported this info to his superiors he then had a sense that they were covering it up or failing to act then absolutely he should have taken further steps to report the info and see to justice. My feeling is that hind sight is 20/20 as they say and in the day to day of life it may not have been anywhere on his radar beyond the step he needed to take and did. Very hard to ever know how it was received or if he was at all kept in the loop about how the university decided to proceed. I know that where I work now we are required to report anything like this to the law enforcement authorities but as an institution not as an individual. That's why the top folks at Penn State need to answer for this. And I agree completely these are hideous crimes.
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Johannes M Aaron, your logic is astounding. Joe Pa was in his 70's so he's too old to know what to do with information about child rape happening in his locker room. But he's not too old to run a college football program from top to bottom for another 10 years.
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Johannes M MIMI - Joe Pa is the top folk. The absolute top. That's why media and the public focus on him. He is the top. And if you feel that you need hindsight to know what to do with information that your close friend and employee has sexually touched a 10 year old child while they were both naked and alone, then I hope that you can have learned that lesson now in the aftermath of these awful deeds.
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Aaron F Well Johannes, no need to be condescending...if you want to talk about logic though, admit that you took it a step further than Julie's original statement which, to paraphrase, never would've been an issue if one selfish person hadn't acted so selfishly. I don't think you can deny that if Sandusky NEVER would've done these horrendous things we wouldn't be here talking about it today.
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Aaron F And as far as JoePa being in his 70's...no I don't think he was running the program. Honestly I think he's been a figurehead for the last decade plus anyway.
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Mimi M Wow.
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Kevin D Joe took it to the head of university police who then passed information on to the president. How could Joe, not knowing full details to begin with, question the process of how the university police conducted its investigation? Of course we all know now there were multiple occurrences of horrific things happening, but none of them were known to Joe at the time, and had he overstepped the process he assumed the university police was taking, he would very well be setting himself up for a defamation lawsuit.
I mourn for the kids whose lives were tragically affected by the selfish and horrifying acts of one man, and I'm saddened that the media has decided that Joe is the main figurehead to take the brunt of the blame instead of trying to investigate why the university police and president didn't pursue it.
If you're questioning Joe's moral character, you clearly do not know what he has done for this town and university. I can guarantee he regrets every minute that passed by not intervening -- not to clear his name, but to protect the lives of the victims.
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Johannes M Kevin, you've got your facts mixed up. University police investigated Sandusky on suspicion of child abuse based on a complaint from a child claiming to be a victim of sexual conduct by Sandusky. University Police find no evidence to convict and decided not to press charges. Three years later, ACCORDING TO JOE PA: Joe's assistant approached Joe and says that the day before the assistant witness Sandusky naked in the shower with a 10 year old boy and that there was "inappropriate" touching from Sandusky. Now you ask yourself, Kevin. What do you do with that information? I am a head coach. I know what I would do and it's not to tell the president and walk away, which is what Joe Pa did. His lack of action and lack of follow-up is inexcusable. Based on what your and Penn State's student body's general reaction seems to be, that is a lesson we as a society need to learn.
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Kevin D You're incorrect. Only PSU police and the DA knew of the incident in 1998. The DA dropped the case. Joe took what he heard in 2002 to his direct superior and the head of PSU Police.
Don't tell me I'm wrong. I have to listen to the media make false accusations all day long without checking their facts.
I'm not going to argue with people who don't know what they're talking about.
And I'm sad that a sentimental statement that my sister made has turned into yet another argument where people get to sit up on their moral high horses and tell everyone else how they should've acted.
Sorry Julie.
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Aaron F Kevin: Johannes has made it his personal crusade to prove that JoePa willingly knew and withheld information. The fact that it is Sandusky who raped these children does not matter to him...the only thing that matters is that JoePa pay with his career because he is "the top folk" (see, I can use quotations in a belittling way too, isn't that fun?)
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Aaron F Johannes cares NOT that these children were harmed in a horrifying way nor who actually committed the crimes SO LONG as JoePa is the biggest figure in this incident (and conveniently ignoring the fact that JoePa is also paying with a tarnished legacy among other things). It doesn't matter though because even if JoePa does shoulder all the blame it doesn't un-rape those boys. I am glad that you are an upstanding human being who has strong enough convictions to always do what is right Johannes. I say that in complete sincerity, no irony at all. I do not know if I could do the same if someone else had witnessed one of my parents or best friends do something of a similar nature. I'm being completely honest. I would feel confused and shocked and have a hard time believing it to be true. I would hope that if the allegations were true someone else would step up so that I wouldn't have to be the one to indict my family or friends. I believe the same thing happened with JoePa. Does that make it right? No. And that is why JoePa is already paying the price.
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Aaron F Additionally, put yourself in McQueary's shoes...I know if I witnessed such a horrifying thing I would have a visceral reaction and probably be shaken to the point of vomiting. I would be in shock. I have the problem of being an empathizer, though, and believing there are many sides to this story. I am also aware that Sandusky was obviously a vicious predator who knew how to camoflauge himself so that it came as a surprise to those who knew him. But predators like him are not stupid. They don't talk about their affinity for young boys...they blend in and earn peoples trust only to betray it later. JoePa failed though when he didn't do enough to stop...I'll agree with that. But (and here's the irony now) thankfully we have perfect people like Johannes...I mean its not like his hubris or expertise on this entire situation could be tempered by humility.
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Aaron F For the record Johannes, while I think you are a vindictive ass (takes one to know one I guess) I do agree that Paterno should go and I recognize your frustration. You are (obviously) absolutely correct to be upset with the situation. But I think you should recognize that it was not JoePa who committed these heinous acts. That's all ANYBODY who is defending Joe is saying. But hey, you wanna crucify the guy for something he didn't do...by all means, be that douche bag.
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Sandy O I was SHOCKED to see this on my feed, Julie. Do you accept child abuse and molestation? Is football more important than protecting children???!!!
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Aaron F Sandy you are insane. What the hell are you talking about? Did Julie EVER say anything approximating that? Joe Paterno is an honorable man who had a BIG failing and has tarnished that image. I am sure if JoePa could trade in all his wins to protect these children he would. What is with peoples reading comprehension?
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Sandy O Um, he failed to protect children. That's pretty clear. He did that to protect the football prgram and the brand.
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Sandy O Also, calling me "insane" is not good arguing tactics and it is ableist.
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Sandy O "These incidents occurred 10 years ago and JoePa was already in his 70's so who knows how fully aware he was of everything going on. " Ageism. Shall I keep going?
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Aaron F Well Sandy when you accuse Julie of accepting child molestation when she never made any statement anywhere near that...what else would you call that? I call that a disconnect from reality...or, as I put it, insanity. Go ahead though...have fun with your witch hunt. But MAYBE you guys should focus on real witches.
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Sandy O I actually fully support the right of witches. ;)
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Aaron F You are right...the mind, unlike every other organ, does not lose ANY of its function with age. What am I thinking?
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Elaine D M Let's not forget that Paterno could have reported to the authorities. As much as I admire the man, his silence, like many others who have been bullied, could have prevented further abuse. I don't know how he lived with himself quite honestly...was it to keep up the reputation (and the money that comes in) of the famed Nittany Lions? At what cost?
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Kevin D I'm tired of talking about this but again he did not keep silent and I'm sure he feels awful that more could've been done in hindsight. You can read some of Aaron's or my posts from earlier.
Nobody knows much right now but everyone wants to fill in the holes with their own adaptations of what actually happened.
It's sad that journalists have used their leverage for monetary gain by formulating opinions based on minimal facts from one side of a case that isn't even criminal evidence.
Nobody cares about fact checking or digging to find out why graham spanier is still employed and why he never did anything else in this situation. The media also fails over and over again to bring to light the fact that THE HEAD OF THE PENN STATE POLICE WAS INFORMED AND MET WITH MCQUEARY.
Yet the media knows that the general public does not recognize the names Curley, Shultz or Spanier, so their main focus is getting Paterno ousted.
Well they did. It would be very nice if they did some actual investigating and could tell me why I haven't heard from president Spanier in five days.
I'm glad that a sentimental sad goodbye to Joe has been met by such animosity. We are all sad. That's really where most of us are right now. We are mad that university officials failed to act upon reports given to them by Joe and Mike.
I am sad it is all coming to an end so abruptly and with no ceremony for the magnificent things Joe has done for this town and university.
But I guess that doesn't matter. Burn the man at the stake.
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Julie D Ok, guys, you've all had your say, now that's enough. I only meant to say how sad I am about the whole situation, every facet of it. It's sad that those innocent children were abused, it's sad that it took so long to convict the abuser, it's sad that Joe is going out like this after all the good he's done over his lifetime. It's just all sad.
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Julie D Whether you believe he's right or wrong, I believe the proper thing to do is leave it to the authorities to handle the situation. Honestly, the court is the only place where the true facts will come out. None of us can truly judge this situation, as we are only reading all the media. Who gives us that right?! We need to support the justice system and stop the arguing and speculation. Additionally, Sandy and Johannes, I am every offended that you are accusing me of supporting child molestation in my post. You should know me better than that, and if you don't then we have no business being friends. Finally, I would please ask that you no longer post on this thread. This is an extremely sensitive subject for me and my family. My dad and brother graduated from Penn State and have been avid PSU football fans for decades, so you can imagine how emotional this is for them. You guys are removed from the situation, so it's easier to criticize, but from now on, please do it on your own pages. I merely intended to show sadness for the situation. Thank you for respecting my request.
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Sandy O OK. This is my final word and then I will back away: this is extremely sensitive for you because you have connections to PSU? Um OK. I think you are still missing the bigger picture. This is extremely sensitive to many of us because we want CHILD ABUSE to end, whether or not we care about FOOTBALL. We want there to be no excuse for it, ever. We want there to be no cover ups, ever. There is right, and there is wrong.
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Julie I don't really care what you think of my reasoning, Sandy, it's my opinion, you don't have to like it. Put words in my mouth if you have to. Now you're being insensitive to me because I said I didn't want to discuss this any more. Whatever your opinion, have it, it's a free country, but please be respectful to me by discussing this on your own page from now on, not mine.
I got into a fight on Facebook today! For the 2nd time this week! This one was so heinous I decided to reprint it here! Last names have been removed. Me= Sandy. I expect a defriending from this one.
Julie D
So sad about Joe Pa being forced to resign. What a tragic end to a renowned career because of the selfishness of one man. Penn State is in mourning :(
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Richard I It is sad Julie. I was thinking about you yesterday when I was hearing this story because of your family's connections to PSU.
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Johannes M No, Julie. Unequivocally no. Child molestation is sad. Rape is sad. Child abuse is sad. Turning blind eyes and ears to the exploitation of children is sad. Failure to protect the children you've dedicated your life to because it makes you uncomfortable is sad. Moral ambiguity is sad. Cowardice in the face of child abuse is sad. Letting your fear of a tarnished reputation outweigh the safety of pre-teen children in your office is sad. Joe Paterno's resignation is not sad, it is the bare minimum of consequences for his absolute failure as a leader of children and adults alike.
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Mimi M I disagree. I've worked part time for 6 colleges or universities and one large community art center and spoken with two law enforcement contacts. Jo Paterno acted exactly as he shoul have with third party information. There is a procedure in place for exactly this kind of thing. It is the university's obligation to mount the investigation and inform the authorities. They failed to do this. That is sad! Unless we find out something more, Jo Paterno is simply a high profile scapegoat in a horrible scenario.
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Aaron F
Johannes, I agree that JoePa could've probably done more...but it IS important to remember that Paterno was no the one who committed these heinous acts. These incidents occurred 10 years ago and JoePa was already in his 70's so who knows how fully aware he was of everything going on. That is not to excuse him from not making sure that Sandusky was fired and incarcerated, but it is important to remember that he is not the one who witnessed these incidents either. This is a horrible and devastating story to be sure. But I don't understand why Joe Paterno is taking ALL of the heat. He understandably should take some heat for failing to see to it that Sundusky was no longer able to harm children, but most of the heat should be on Sandusky himself for his terrible actions. I honestly think that JoePa didn't want to believe that this man could do such heinously evil things and didn't want to be the one to have to know about/take care of the problem.
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Johannes M MIMI - No one disputes that Joe Paterno fulfilled legal obligations. The dispute here is moral. Joe is the coach. And not just any coach but THE coach. Football is HIS program. Penn State is HIS school. Practically all of Pennsylvania falls at his feet. And Sandusky was HIS mentee, and friend, and award winning assistant. Joe failed those boys. 10 year old boys were subjected to anal sex and oral sex against their will by his defensive coordinator. Multiple incidents were brought to his attention. Including one assistant eye-witness account. Why do you think his assistant comes to HIM with this account and not to authorities? Because at Penn State Joe Pa is THE authority.
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Aaron F Well Johannes that also brings up McQueary...he also failed those children by failing to call the cops.
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Johannes M AARON - Joe doesn't take "all the heat". In fact, he takes the least. He takes zero legal "heat" because he broke no law. Because of this, and because he runs the organization that averted its eyes to the rape of children, he takes the most media heat and social heat and the heat of public outcry. Because he's not going to jail for this. Because his only consequence is "I'm retiring at the end of the season."
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Johannes M Aaron, there is a Fire Mike Mcqueary petition going around if you're interested.
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Mimi M If, after Jo Paterno reported this info to his superiors he then had a sense that they were covering it up or failing to act then absolutely he should have taken further steps to report the info and see to justice. My feeling is that hind sight is 20/20 as they say and in the day to day of life it may not have been anywhere on his radar beyond the step he needed to take and did. Very hard to ever know how it was received or if he was at all kept in the loop about how the university decided to proceed. I know that where I work now we are required to report anything like this to the law enforcement authorities but as an institution not as an individual. That's why the top folks at Penn State need to answer for this. And I agree completely these are hideous crimes.
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Johannes M Aaron, your logic is astounding. Joe Pa was in his 70's so he's too old to know what to do with information about child rape happening in his locker room. But he's not too old to run a college football program from top to bottom for another 10 years.
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Johannes M MIMI - Joe Pa is the top folk. The absolute top. That's why media and the public focus on him. He is the top. And if you feel that you need hindsight to know what to do with information that your close friend and employee has sexually touched a 10 year old child while they were both naked and alone, then I hope that you can have learned that lesson now in the aftermath of these awful deeds.
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Aaron F Well Johannes, no need to be condescending...if you want to talk about logic though, admit that you took it a step further than Julie's original statement which, to paraphrase, never would've been an issue if one selfish person hadn't acted so selfishly. I don't think you can deny that if Sandusky NEVER would've done these horrendous things we wouldn't be here talking about it today.
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Aaron F And as far as JoePa being in his 70's...no I don't think he was running the program. Honestly I think he's been a figurehead for the last decade plus anyway.
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Mimi M Wow.
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Kevin D Joe took it to the head of university police who then passed information on to the president. How could Joe, not knowing full details to begin with, question the process of how the university police conducted its investigation? Of course we all know now there were multiple occurrences of horrific things happening, but none of them were known to Joe at the time, and had he overstepped the process he assumed the university police was taking, he would very well be setting himself up for a defamation lawsuit.
I mourn for the kids whose lives were tragically affected by the selfish and horrifying acts of one man, and I'm saddened that the media has decided that Joe is the main figurehead to take the brunt of the blame instead of trying to investigate why the university police and president didn't pursue it.
If you're questioning Joe's moral character, you clearly do not know what he has done for this town and university. I can guarantee he regrets every minute that passed by not intervening -- not to clear his name, but to protect the lives of the victims.
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Johannes M Kevin, you've got your facts mixed up. University police investigated Sandusky on suspicion of child abuse based on a complaint from a child claiming to be a victim of sexual conduct by Sandusky. University Police find no evidence to convict and decided not to press charges. Three years later, ACCORDING TO JOE PA: Joe's assistant approached Joe and says that the day before the assistant witness Sandusky naked in the shower with a 10 year old boy and that there was "inappropriate" touching from Sandusky. Now you ask yourself, Kevin. What do you do with that information? I am a head coach. I know what I would do and it's not to tell the president and walk away, which is what Joe Pa did. His lack of action and lack of follow-up is inexcusable. Based on what your and Penn State's student body's general reaction seems to be, that is a lesson we as a society need to learn.
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Kevin D You're incorrect. Only PSU police and the DA knew of the incident in 1998. The DA dropped the case. Joe took what he heard in 2002 to his direct superior and the head of PSU Police.
Don't tell me I'm wrong. I have to listen to the media make false accusations all day long without checking their facts.
I'm not going to argue with people who don't know what they're talking about.
And I'm sad that a sentimental statement that my sister made has turned into yet another argument where people get to sit up on their moral high horses and tell everyone else how they should've acted.
Sorry Julie.
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Aaron F Kevin: Johannes has made it his personal crusade to prove that JoePa willingly knew and withheld information. The fact that it is Sandusky who raped these children does not matter to him...the only thing that matters is that JoePa pay with his career because he is "the top folk" (see, I can use quotations in a belittling way too, isn't that fun?)
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Aaron F Johannes cares NOT that these children were harmed in a horrifying way nor who actually committed the crimes SO LONG as JoePa is the biggest figure in this incident (and conveniently ignoring the fact that JoePa is also paying with a tarnished legacy among other things). It doesn't matter though because even if JoePa does shoulder all the blame it doesn't un-rape those boys. I am glad that you are an upstanding human being who has strong enough convictions to always do what is right Johannes. I say that in complete sincerity, no irony at all. I do not know if I could do the same if someone else had witnessed one of my parents or best friends do something of a similar nature. I'm being completely honest. I would feel confused and shocked and have a hard time believing it to be true. I would hope that if the allegations were true someone else would step up so that I wouldn't have to be the one to indict my family or friends. I believe the same thing happened with JoePa. Does that make it right? No. And that is why JoePa is already paying the price.
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Aaron F Additionally, put yourself in McQueary's shoes...I know if I witnessed such a horrifying thing I would have a visceral reaction and probably be shaken to the point of vomiting. I would be in shock. I have the problem of being an empathizer, though, and believing there are many sides to this story. I am also aware that Sandusky was obviously a vicious predator who knew how to camoflauge himself so that it came as a surprise to those who knew him. But predators like him are not stupid. They don't talk about their affinity for young boys...they blend in and earn peoples trust only to betray it later. JoePa failed though when he didn't do enough to stop...I'll agree with that. But (and here's the irony now) thankfully we have perfect people like Johannes...I mean its not like his hubris or expertise on this entire situation could be tempered by humility.
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Aaron F For the record Johannes, while I think you are a vindictive ass (takes one to know one I guess) I do agree that Paterno should go and I recognize your frustration. You are (obviously) absolutely correct to be upset with the situation. But I think you should recognize that it was not JoePa who committed these heinous acts. That's all ANYBODY who is defending Joe is saying. But hey, you wanna crucify the guy for something he didn't do...by all means, be that douche bag.
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Sandy O I was SHOCKED to see this on my feed, Julie. Do you accept child abuse and molestation? Is football more important than protecting children???!!!
2 hours ago · Like
Aaron F Sandy you are insane. What the hell are you talking about? Did Julie EVER say anything approximating that? Joe Paterno is an honorable man who had a BIG failing and has tarnished that image. I am sure if JoePa could trade in all his wins to protect these children he would. What is with peoples reading comprehension?
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Sandy O Um, he failed to protect children. That's pretty clear. He did that to protect the football prgram and the brand.
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Sandy O Also, calling me "insane" is not good arguing tactics and it is ableist.
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Sandy O "These incidents occurred 10 years ago and JoePa was already in his 70's so who knows how fully aware he was of everything going on. " Ageism. Shall I keep going?
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Aaron F Well Sandy when you accuse Julie of accepting child molestation when she never made any statement anywhere near that...what else would you call that? I call that a disconnect from reality...or, as I put it, insanity. Go ahead though...have fun with your witch hunt. But MAYBE you guys should focus on real witches.
2 hours ago · Like
Sandy O I actually fully support the right of witches. ;)
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Aaron F You are right...the mind, unlike every other organ, does not lose ANY of its function with age. What am I thinking?
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Elaine D M Let's not forget that Paterno could have reported to the authorities. As much as I admire the man, his silence, like many others who have been bullied, could have prevented further abuse. I don't know how he lived with himself quite honestly...was it to keep up the reputation (and the money that comes in) of the famed Nittany Lions? At what cost?
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Kevin D I'm tired of talking about this but again he did not keep silent and I'm sure he feels awful that more could've been done in hindsight. You can read some of Aaron's or my posts from earlier.
Nobody knows much right now but everyone wants to fill in the holes with their own adaptations of what actually happened.
It's sad that journalists have used their leverage for monetary gain by formulating opinions based on minimal facts from one side of a case that isn't even criminal evidence.
Nobody cares about fact checking or digging to find out why graham spanier is still employed and why he never did anything else in this situation. The media also fails over and over again to bring to light the fact that THE HEAD OF THE PENN STATE POLICE WAS INFORMED AND MET WITH MCQUEARY.
Yet the media knows that the general public does not recognize the names Curley, Shultz or Spanier, so their main focus is getting Paterno ousted.
Well they did. It would be very nice if they did some actual investigating and could tell me why I haven't heard from president Spanier in five days.
I'm glad that a sentimental sad goodbye to Joe has been met by such animosity. We are all sad. That's really where most of us are right now. We are mad that university officials failed to act upon reports given to them by Joe and Mike.
I am sad it is all coming to an end so abruptly and with no ceremony for the magnificent things Joe has done for this town and university.
But I guess that doesn't matter. Burn the man at the stake.
about an hour ago · Like
Julie D Ok, guys, you've all had your say, now that's enough. I only meant to say how sad I am about the whole situation, every facet of it. It's sad that those innocent children were abused, it's sad that it took so long to convict the abuser, it's sad that Joe is going out like this after all the good he's done over his lifetime. It's just all sad.
about an hour ago · Like
Julie D Whether you believe he's right or wrong, I believe the proper thing to do is leave it to the authorities to handle the situation. Honestly, the court is the only place where the true facts will come out. None of us can truly judge this situation, as we are only reading all the media. Who gives us that right?! We need to support the justice system and stop the arguing and speculation. Additionally, Sandy and Johannes, I am every offended that you are accusing me of supporting child molestation in my post. You should know me better than that, and if you don't then we have no business being friends. Finally, I would please ask that you no longer post on this thread. This is an extremely sensitive subject for me and my family. My dad and brother graduated from Penn State and have been avid PSU football fans for decades, so you can imagine how emotional this is for them. You guys are removed from the situation, so it's easier to criticize, but from now on, please do it on your own pages. I merely intended to show sadness for the situation. Thank you for respecting my request.
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Sandy O OK. This is my final word and then I will back away: this is extremely sensitive for you because you have connections to PSU? Um OK. I think you are still missing the bigger picture. This is extremely sensitive to many of us because we want CHILD ABUSE to end, whether or not we care about FOOTBALL. We want there to be no excuse for it, ever. We want there to be no cover ups, ever. There is right, and there is wrong.
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Julie I don't really care what you think of my reasoning, Sandy, it's my opinion, you don't have to like it. Put words in my mouth if you have to. Now you're being insensitive to me because I said I didn't want to discuss this any more. Whatever your opinion, have it, it's a free country, but please be respectful to me by discussing this on your own page from now on, not mine.
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Date: 2011-11-10 03:24 am (UTC)GAH.
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Date: 2011-11-10 03:42 am (UTC)But, y'know? Mostly i need to say:
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Date: 2011-11-10 04:17 am (UTC)Right on, brother. Right on.
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Date: 2011-11-10 04:54 am (UTC)And. I just. Goddamnit. Not allowing child sex abuse to continue in your vicinity is the bare minimum. No, it's even less than the bare minimum. Paterno is so far below the bare minimum of what an adult should do, much less a leader, that ... aaaaaaaargh
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Date: 2011-11-15 07:01 pm (UTC)Additionally, put yourself in McQueary's shoes...I know if I witnessed such a horrifying thing I would have a visceral reaction and probably be shaken to the point of vomiting. I would be in shock. I have the problem of being an empathizer, though, and believing there are many sides to this story.
I'M EMPATHIZER. I'M REALLY EMPATHETIC TO CHILD MOLESTERS.
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Date: 2011-11-21 10:17 pm (UTC)