sasha_feather: white woman in space suit (Astronaut)
[personal profile] sasha_feather
A bad ass character is laying in a hospital bed and is badly injured, but they refuse pain meds or are reluctant to take them because they want to "keep their mind clear."

Guess what? Pain clouds your mind also. Sometimes all you can think about is pain and nothing else. The meds make it so you can actually function to interact with the world in somewhat normal way.

I am probably preaching to the choir here, but just once I would like to see a bad ass warrior character in hospital who is accepting of pain medication.

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I seem to have this internal conversation with the world a lot; it goes something like this: "I know that I'm an outlier in a lot of ways, but seriously? Seriously?

One of the great things about fandom and the internet is that I can find the other outliers.

Here is a really great post about body and fat acceptance that I think can apply to anybody despite the title: Ten Rules for Fat Girls by Dianne Sylvan.

Date: 2012-07-12 03:59 pm (UTC)
laceblade: Shadow of a demon cast on the wall looms over Secret of Kells character, as though about to swallow him up (Kells scary)
From: [personal profile] laceblade
omfg, at the pain meds trope.
Guess what? Pain clouds your mind also. YES! Yes, yes, yes.

I got really pissed after my surgery, I was trying to reread this FF7 for comfort, which I hadn't read in about a decade. But my favorite character (Tifa) was trying to recover from this massive chest wound she gets in the game, from a sword - it slices through like, her entire torso, leaving her scarred and shit.
I think this fic had her "walking around just fine," and mad at being made to stay inside and shit, after like, TWO FUCKING WEEKS. I could not handle it.

Date: 2012-07-12 04:09 pm (UTC)
jesse_the_k: text "my God being a physical being is such total baloney" in typewriter font on crumpled paper (physicality stinks)
From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
Pain clouds your mind — I love this so hard (well gently enough not to cause pain).

I've also discovered that pain clouds my heart. Chronic pain has fueled many a depressive or paranoid episode. I was astounded at how happy I was when I first started using mild narcotics.

Date: 2012-07-12 05:05 pm (UTC)
laceblade: (Sailor Moon: Chibi Fight)
From: [personal profile] laceblade
Yessss to all of this. I should do a post on how much better my depression is now that the pain is lessened. IT IS LIKE MAGIC.

Date: 2012-07-12 04:56 pm (UTC)
wintercreek: Silhouette of a person with an umbrella under a multi-colored rain with the text "starshowers." ([misc] starshowers)
From: [personal profile] wintercreek
Pain clouds your mind also.

Yes, this. The other argument that gets me is the one about pain being a signal from your body about what's happening (something wrong, attempting a position outside your range of motion, whatever) - sometimes pain is just pain. And even when it's a signal you don't need to keep experiencing the pain after you've received the message. Now that you know that your ankle is sprained (or whatever), you can take pain medication AND deal with the injury! (Rather than refuse pain medication AND go running around in hostile territory, I'M LOOKING AT YOU JOHN SHEPPARD.)

Date: 2012-07-12 06:42 pm (UTC)
thingswithwings: dear teevee: I want to crawl inside you (a dude crawls inside a tv) (Default)
From: [personal profile] thingswithwings
ugh, yes, I hate that trope. Also the idea that people are so tough that they're capable of refusing pain medication even in extreme circumstances. It totally furthers the idea that if you need pain meds, you're just not tough enough. HATE IT.

Date: 2012-07-12 11:05 pm (UTC)
thingswithwings: dear teevee: I want to crawl inside you (a dude crawls inside a tv) (Default)
From: [personal profile] thingswithwings
that would be excellent! especially if Natasha were like, no, I need to be able to function, give me the drugs.

though for me I think I see that trope more in popular culture/on tv than anywhere else, so what I really want is tv shows where tough awesome people demand pain meds.

Date: 2012-07-13 01:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kalmn
When twu wuv cured his pain I screamed so loud I bet you heard me.

Date: 2015-01-05 06:20 am (UTC)
violetemerald: A drawing of a purple butterfly on a light green background (Default)
From: [personal profile] violetemerald
Oh gosh, that point about House is so true. I watched till the end though, and idk, I still loved the show. He was never really cured and his pain seemed real enough to me.

Date: 2012-07-12 07:15 pm (UTC)
meloukhia: Scrabble tiles on a tablecloth spell out 'the universe is mine' (The universe is mine)
From: [personal profile] meloukhia
And the way it reinforces the idea that only weaklings ask for pain medication or use it, which has very dangerous real-world implications for pain management. Know so many people who are unrelenting jerks because of poorly managed chronic pain since they're internalised this message.

Date: 2012-07-13 01:03 pm (UTC)
meloukhia: A slice of apple pie, with apples in the background. Text reads 'Mmm...pie' with little hearts. (Mmm...pie)
From: [personal profile] meloukhia
Oh no, I've been favouring active instead of passive aggression these days! :P

Date: 2012-07-12 09:59 pm (UTC)
the_andy: Guitar Wolf explains it to Ace (Guitar Wolf)
From: [personal profile] the_andy
Ugh, I hate that trope too. Last time I had surgery there were no options that allowed for mental clarity. It was either slightly out of focus on the meds or grumpy, distracted, and irritable, while also being in pain. At least on meds I wasn't being a jerk to people the way dealing with pain all day made me behave.

Date: 2012-07-13 08:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] torachan
Ugh, thankfully I've never encountered that, much less enough to realise it was a common trope. But I don't really read action/adventure or H/C fic, which is where I would assume it shows up the most.

Date: 2012-07-13 12:57 pm (UTC)
j00j: rainbow over east berlin plattenbau apartments (Default)
From: [personal profile] j00j
Word.

Also, seriously, Tough Character, you're in the hospital and you want your mind clear? I mean, my understanding of this is probably colored by doing bedside vigil on a two week hospital stay with a partner who has spent far too much time in them, but... being in the hospital seems at best dull and uncomfortable (even if your pain and discomfort are well managed, it still ain't home and the beds and food suck), and at worst painful and scary. Distractions are needed (perhaps I should write a fic about the ridiculous things the Avengers do to entertain someone in the hospital-- I tried just about everything!), and being a bit dopey and sleepy probably is a *good* thing in a lot of cases.

I guess I can sort of see the "I want a clear mind" thing if a character is worried about not being safe for some reason, but even then, see: pain clouds the mind. And it's fanfic, so hopefully they have a trusted buddy/partner/etc. to keep watch.

Date: 2012-07-17 07:56 am (UTC)
eggcrack: Icon based on the painting "Kullervon kirous ja sotaanlahto" (Default)
From: [personal profile] eggcrack
Guess what? Pain clouds your mind also. Sometimes all you can think about is pain and nothing else. The meds make it so you can actually function to interact with the world in somewhat normal way.

THIS. *nodnodnod*

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